由nick cave引出的关于哥特和音乐的讨论

dadado

           henry lee
get down ,get down, little Henry Lee
　　And stay night with me
　　You won't find a girl in this down world
　　That will compare with me.
　　(And the wind did hol and the wind did blow
　　La la la la la la
　　La la lal la la la

A little bird lit down an Henry Lee
　　And stay all night with thee
　　For the girl I have in that merry green land
　　I love for better than thee

She leaned herself against a fence
　　Just for a kiss or two
　　And with a little pen-knife through
　　And the wind di roar and the wind di moan

Come take himby his hily-white hands
　　Come take hime by his feet
　　And throw him in this deep deep well
　　Which is more than one hundred feet

Lie there, lie there ,little Henery Lee
　　Till the flashdrops from your bones
　　For the girl you have in that merry green land
　　Can wait forever for youi to come home

又开始听nick cave，看看这歌词，再听听这吟唱，谁说这不是最歌特的。
不过他的新专辑我不喜欢

欢喜陀

什么叫歌特？

dadado

回楼上
这个问题我也想不通的

低音死鸟

哥特就是金属后朋~钢琴加后朋~

（nick cave的loverman歌词谁有吗？）

伯伯

前段拿这个死亡民谣换了张暴走民谣。

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badlvwen

Nick Cave Lyrics

Loverman Lyrics



There's a devil waiting outside your door
(How much longer?)
There's a devil waiting outside your door
It is bucking and braying and pawing at the floor
And he's howling with pain and crawling up the walls
There's a devil waiting outside your door
He's weak with evil and broken by the world
He's shouting your name and he's asking for more
There's a devil waiting outside your door


Loverman! Since the world began
Forever, Amen Till end of time Take off that
dress I'm coming down I'm your loverman
Cause I am what I am what I am what I am


L is for LOVE, baby
O is for ONLY you that I do
V is for loving VIRTUALLY all that you are
E is for loving almost EVERYTHING that you do
R is for RAPE me
M is for MURDER me
A is for ANSWERING all of my prayers
N is for KNOWING your loverman's going to
be the answer to all of yours


Loverman! Till the bitter end
While empires burn down Forever and ever
and ever and ever Amen I'm your loverman
So help me, baby So help me
Cause I am what I am what I am what I am
I'll be your loverman!


There's a devil crawling along your floor
There's a devil crawling along your floor
With a trembling heart, he's coming through your door
With his straining sex in his jumping paw
There's a devil crawling along your floor
And he's old and he's stupid and
he's hungry and he's sore
And he's lame and he's blind
and he's dirty and he's poor
Give him more
There's a devil crawling along your floor


Loverman! Here I stand Forever, Amen
Cause I am what I am what I am what I am
Forgive me, baby My hands are tied
And I got no choice No, I got no choice at all


I'll say it again
L is for LOVE, baby
O is for O yes I do
V is for VIRTUE, so I ain't gonna hurt you
E is for EVEN if you want me to
R is for RENDER unto me, baby
M is for that which is MINE
A is for ANY old how, darling
N is for ANY old time


I'll be your loverman! I got a masterplan
To take off your dress And be your man
Seize the throne Seize the mantle
Seize the crown Cause I am what I am
What I am what I am I'm your loverman!


There's a devil lying by your side
You might think he's asleep
but look at his eyes
He wants you, baby, to be his bride
There's a devil lying by your side


Loverman! Loverman!

dadado

这个可不算死亡民谣阿

misfit

当然是我最哥特
大家应该没意见法

欢喜陀

回楼上.这个问题我也想不通的

呵呵，我没有恶意的，我只是觉得把他定位在歌特音乐不太准确：）
其实这个版块我一直有来的，
楼主听的也蛮多的，对于这些黑暗音乐，可能是不是还和那个极端音乐有点联系
，，，，，，不知道楼主听不听萨帝，他有一组曲目就叫“歌特舞曲-为我灵魂的安宁而作”还有一首“尖形穹顶”都是歌特风格，
事实上这种东西，或者说古典派的这种东西他很安静，与他们的宗教传统联系的很紧密，是，，，，，，，，，，该怎么说呢？
有点像社会心理学中对于“尊敬”的定义，就是“既喜欢又不敢接近，即想接近又害怕”，我记得大学时一位导师跟我讲起这个概念的时候
，，，，，，，，，我说，啊那我应该没有什么尊敬的人吧呵呵，当时我是一个旁听生
，，，，，，还有就是为什么楼主不放点COLDMEAT、HOLY还有黑暗交响诗这样的东西在社区里面呢，这样不是更加可以推广自己喜欢的音乐吗？而且我还满想听听的

话说的多了点，不过还算没说废话：）

misfit

那我来尝试解释一下楼上地问题
首先是一个元素和内核的问题，所谓的教堂的，音乐的，这只是一个哥特的艺术元素，用符号学的意义上来说，就是一个可被外借的一个所指，举个例子，现在外面一大队所谓的本土艺术东一个京剧，西一个雕梁画柱，他骨子里是西方的文化内核，学术一点说是，将东方文化作为西方文化的一个他者来分析运用，而不是将东方文化作为一个主题来运用。萨蒂，教堂，都是这回事。
接下去解释哥特的一个内核，简单的说，精神问题。在哥特的精神方面，从哥特民族作为一个精神的表征系统开始，哥特作为一个广义的文化元素是和anti-roma这个词联系起来的，顺便说，与goth 并置的还有barbararian, viking, druid等等，当然这和orient是有区别的，orient 时ab-roma, goth等是anti-roma这是一个元论的问题，另当别论。所以说，当gothic 作为一个anti-roma的文化精神出现的时候他的定义就远远的被扩大了。这也完全可以理解为什么党spirit of roma 和基督教并置后，gothic 也被作为一种anti-christ鬼神文化的代名符号，当roma德所代表的理性作为一个控制全世界的霸权力理性之后，gothic作为一种anti-sociel的精神出现，其本质，实质上是anti-roma。这也可以理解，为什么很多哥特乐队以基督教为期精神来源，而挂以哥特的旗号了。进而，也可以理解，为什么black metal，darkwave,gothic music在精神内核的层面是并置的了
这样的解释，可以接受么？希望众高人批评，